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hand in the publican caucus? boehner is listening to others, like vulnerable bunn -- ththe billlican governors, and kristol is saying do we really defending tax cuts people with car elevators. this is not the position n they i weree obama, i would just get them in a room there.p them >> but it is interesting when watch what oing on ght now. obama does th very nice sort between the "i am open to everything" and "i am drawg g one red line, for millionaires --" >> i don't hear him changing on that. he is not treated the people tesd are being really the house and senate. the ones who are doing the public posturing for him. boehnernk also that have a strong hand. he has a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both
anything that speaker boehner said make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about? >> well, it's the urgency, but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and, most importantly, the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point, not necessarily today, decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so this doesn't take us up to christmas, some milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado earlier this week. he said this really comes down to speaker boehner and president obama
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